A post shared by Lee Shulman (@lee.shulman)<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\nIs there a favorite photo of his that sticks out to you?<\/strong><\/p>\nWhen I was a film student in the 90s, I had his book called The Last Resort<\/em>, which they say is his seminal work. I hate that because I think he\u2019s made up of more than just one thing, but it\u2019s the book that kind of changed everything for him. The Last Resort<\/em> is his work from New Brighton, and it was pretty mind-blowing for me. I wasn\u2019t sure if I liked it or didn\u2019t like it; it was so different. A lot of people hated his work, and a lot of people were crazy about his work. I couldn\u2019t make up my mind. I thought it was a genius, and I thought it was brilliant, like nothing I\u2019d ever seen before. It was beautiful and ugly at the same time, that contradiction. Showing the UK I know, being English myself; showing the world that we live in rather than the world we imagine. He\u2019s not beautifying the world, he\u2019s showing it as we are: mouth open, food in your mouth, and all those things. You\u2019re like, oh, this is kind of real life. <\/em>We\u2019re not used to that.\u00a0<\/p>\n\nMartin changed everything for me.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n
It really did mark me. There were moments like that with other artists in my life, the Basquiats and people like this, that changed everything. And Martin changed everything for me. His language was new to me. I went through The Last Resort<\/em> so much that it fell apart, and I had to buy a second copy. We go back to New Brighton in the film and revisit it with him.\u00a0<\/p>\n <\/figure>\nThere are extreme, almost uncanny similarities between your work with The Anonymous Project and Martin\u2019s photos. Can you identify what some of those commonalities are?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\nWe work on very similar levels. He is showing the extraordinary side of ordinary life, and I think I\u2019m doing the same. Honesty is an important part in photography, where what I\u2019m showing is real life, and he, as a photographer, wants to get as close to that as he can.\u00a0<\/p>\n
We have a lot in common technically as well, which is really interesting. When people were taking Kodachromes in the 50s, they had to use a flash and high color. That was an influence on him, so he was shooting with flash in the daylight, which people had to do in the 50s because of the film stock. So there is a similar look to our images.\u00a0<\/p>\n
\nA lot of those moments that sometimes seem banal and seem like nothing are very touching and emotional.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n
He\u2019s trying to capture real-life moments of real people and everyday situations, which is also what you find in amateur and family photography. A lot of those moments that sometimes seem banal and seem like nothing are very touching and emotional. There\u2019s a very emotional approach to photography that Martin has, too.\u00a0<\/p>\n
There\u2019s this idea that we\u2019ve always championed, which is that anyone can take a photograph. We always believe that, but not everyone can choose<\/em> an image, and I think that\u2019s a really important point about photography and image making. In the end, it\u2019s not about taking the photo; anyone can take great photos. But choosing<\/em> an image and saying, that\u2019s the image<\/em>, and that\u2019s why<\/em> it\u2019s that image, and why I\u2019m going to put it in a book, that is a huge part of what we do. It\u2019s almost the editing of photography that is the photography part of it for me.\u00a0<\/p>\nMartin will say, \u201cI take 50,000 photos a year, and there might be eight good ones in that year.\u201d And I\u2019m looking at 50,000 slides on my table, and I\u2019m choosing eight\u2014 there\u2019s not that much difference in that. I think we share that ability to choose very few images that we feel really speak to you and have a message or tell a story about life.\u00a0<\/p>\n
We share a common love for humanity as well. Martin has always been criticized for being very unhuman and being very critical and very ironic and poking fun, which I don\u2019t agree with at all. I\u2019m totally against that, I think he\u2019s the opposite. I think he has an incredible love for humanity and people. He loves people. I think we share that, and the film is about that. It\u2019s us going on this road trip and having crazy moments and seeing this crazy world we live in.\u00a0<\/p>\n
\nI see these images and just think, Wow, that\u2019s a pure act of love<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\nThat\u2019s always been my interpretation of Martin\u2019s work as well; the whole reason why he\u2019s even noticing and then bothering to capture something or someone mundane with his camera is because he loves and appreciates it.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\nThat\u2019s it. People over-intellectualized photography, and Martin and I hate that. There\u2019s so much snobbery around it all, it\u2019s nonsense. The reason that we take a photo, generally, especially in amateur photography, it\u2019s purely an act of love. It\u2019s to say, \u201cI love you, and I want to remember this moment.\u201d It\u2019s as simple as that; you don\u2019t have to complicate it. There\u2019s something so honest and beautiful about that. Some images still cause my hair to go up when I see them. I see these images and just think, Wow, that\u2019s a pure act of love<\/em>.\u00a0<\/p>\n <\/figure>\nAt what point did you decide you wanted to do a documentary about Martin? How did that idea come about?<\/strong><\/p>\nI\u2019d been a filmmaker beforehand, but I\u2019d never done a documentary. I have a friend who\u2019s a producer, and she\u2019s quite well known in documentaries here, and she\u2019s always been getting on at me to do a documentary.\u00a0<\/p>\n
No one has ever made a documentary about Martin before. People have tried, but Martin is very difficult to access. He\u2019s not a very talkative guy, and he\u2019s kind of a weird cookie, and you have to gain his trust. They knew the access was me because I knew him, so I called him up and said, \u201cListen, they\u2019re going to throw some money at me, and we should go out and do a film about you.\u201d I said, \u201cIf we do a film, it\u2019s not going to be like, you were born here, you were growing up there, it\u2019s going to be a different type of film. We\u2019re going to kidnap you and put you in a van, and we\u2019re going to go off.\u201d It was the year of the coronation in the UK, so it was the perfect timing. So he kind of just said, \u201cYeah.\u201d I don\u2019t know why he says yes to me because he says no to everyone else. I think it\u2019s because I make him laugh. We get on well. We\u2019re just two immature school kids; we kind of never grew up. There\u2019s that kind of mischievousness about getting on the road and having fun.\u00a0<\/p>\n
\nI don\u2019t know why he says yes to me, because he says no to everyone else. I think it\u2019s because I make him laugh.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n
I had a great producer who just gave me free range, they said, \u201cIt\u2019s your film, Lee.\u201d And Martin said, \u201cYou do the film. I don\u2019t want to ever see it.\u201d I was just given this freedom to do a film how I wanted to do it, which is so rare in this day and age. And obviously, it was great to work with someone that I admire. I wanted to give this film back to the people, in some respects. It sounds a bit pretentious, but in some respects, Martin is the people\u2019s photographer. I wanted this film to be for people who are not into photography or may not know him. I think that\u2019s the reason the film probably works, is because if you don\u2019t know anything about photography, or you don\u2019t know anything about Martin, you\u2019re still going to like the film. It\u2019s a bit of a crazy trip.<\/p>\n
\nI was just given this freedom to do a film how I wanted to do it, which is so rare in this day and age.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n <\/figure>\nHow long was the road trip you took together in the film?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\nIt\u2019s not a lot! I didn\u2019t even shoot much! It was over different weekends and different moments, but if we put it all together, it\u2019s not huge. It probably ends up being three weeks of shooting, which sounds like nothing. But that\u2019s because I knew what I wanted to show and how to show it. He so influenced my life that it looks like Martin Parr could have shot the film because it\u2019s the way I\u2019ve always worked as well. I see the world through his eyes a little bit; he lives in my head.<\/p>\n
Were there any new things that you learned about Martin or his process through filming him in this way?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\nWell, you see him, and he\u2019s got holes in his jumper, he\u2019s got this little bag, he doesn\u2019t have assistants, he pulls out his camera and he\u2019s got Scotch tape on it because it\u2019s falling apart, and he goes out, and you\u2019ll see him in the middle of nowhere go click! <\/em>and you\u2019re like Oh, God\u2026 <\/em>and then you see the photo after, and you\u2019re like, Oh, shit\u2026<\/em>\u00a0 It looks like nothing and simple, and it\u2019s not glamorous at all; it\u2019s really the opposite, but the result is what he wants. It\u2019s about getting the images. He\u2019s not interested in the technique as much as you\u2019d think. It\u2019s what\u2019s happening in front of him. He\u2019s looking with his eyes, he\u2019s not looking with the camera. The camera comes in afterward, so it\u2019s what he sees. The good photographers I know are looking all the time, but they\u2019re not looking with a camera.<\/p>\n\nHe\u2019s looking with his eyes, he\u2019s not looking with the camera.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n
It was pretty amazing to see him walk around; if you don\u2019t love people, then you can\u2019t be a photographer. You must have respect for people and life and look for the craziness of life. So that was surprising to me; I didn\u2019t realize there was so much without the camera. I think this is what makes a great artist.\u00a0<\/p>\n <\/figure>\n <\/figure>\nWhat sort of experience do you hope viewers of the film have?<\/strong><\/p>\nThere are so many different ways of seeing the work, and I\u2019m not there to force a message on anyone. I tried to make a film that is my own personal view on Martin, but also on England. It\u2019s a real love letter to England as well, which I kind of turned my back on for 23 years when I lived in Paris. I have a love-hate relationship with the UK, and I think Martin shares that with me, especially with Brexit and all those things. This film reconciled me with the UK, personally.\u00a0<\/p>\n
But I think the main idea is that the ordinary can be really extraordinary. We\u2019re always looking at these amazing things in the distance that are far away, in other countries, but you only have to look right around you, and there\u2019s amazing stuff happening, and we\u2019re blind to that. He says, just stop, have a look around, and see what\u2019s going on. <\/em>The world is crazy and mad and absurd.\u00a0<\/p>\nEven though a lot of his photos show a very tragic part of the world, which is all this consumerism and the end of the working class, it\u2019s funny, and it\u2019s tragic at the same time. That\u2019s what I like about his work: comedy and tragedy have always lived in the same space.<\/p>\n
\nThat\u2019s what I like about his work: comedy and tragedy have always lived in the same space.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n
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Martin\u2019s work isn\u2019t saying, \u201cThis is how it is.\u201d He\u2019s saying, \u201cWell, I\u2019m showing you the world, and it\u2019s up to you to make your mind up.\u201d He\u2019s got no ego, Martin; he\u2019s very I\u2019m going to show the world that I see, and either you share it, or you don\u2019t like it, or you do like it, or you think something else, but that\u2019s for you. I\u2019m not going to impose what I\u2019m thinking about it on it.<\/em> I think that\u2019s pretty humble and pretty cool as an ethos.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n <\/figure>\nThe post Lee Shulman Reveals the Extraordinary in the Ordinary in \u2018I Am Martin Parr\u2019<\/a> appeared first on PRINT Magazine<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"When studying abroad in Copenhagen in college, I took a weekend trip to Stockholm, where […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2758,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2756"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2756"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2756\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2757,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2756\/revisions\/2757"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2758"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2756"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2756"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.angesfinanciers.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2756"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}